In either case the monk edges out the fighter/ranger/palladalladingdong, and the monk can also kill a ki point to throw out a third attack and just win the damage contest without question. Open Hand monks are still the masters of unarmed combat.Īs DJC pointed out, the numbers actually kinda work, even if Unarmed Fighting seems crazy on the surface.įrom levels 1 to 4, the monk can make two attacks to the fighter's one. No superiority die ever born can match that.
Battlemasters can execute maneuvers with the unarmed fighting style, mimicking some monk tricks at the cost of expending superiority die, and at 20th level they can punch four times with these maneuvers without expending a bonus action.Ī Way of the Open Hand monk, at 20th level, can execute their enemy instead of executing a maneuver, and even if the execution fails they can deal 10d10 necrotic damage. In response, I cite Way of the Open Hand. You cite the Battle Master as being able to out-monk the monk with Unarmed Style. Monks also gain the ability to perform special maneuvers with their attacks. Their Martial Arts also allows them to augment the damage of specific weapons - you can replace the damage die of an otherwise cool magical dagger, club, sickle or the like with your Martial Arts die while retaining the benefits of the magical weapon. Monks do not have a monopoly on punching. Thank the gods, that was a bad idea executed poorly. I retract my previous statement.īrute is being retired. 5 damage stronger than dueling by grappling instead of using a shield.Īctually, the more I look at the numbers, the better balanced it seems. Honestly, it is still suboptimal compared to using weapons (except maybe for the grapple damage, which you can still do while wielding a longsword for more damage).
Now assuming both classes have equal modifiers, the fighter can match or out perform (by 1.5 damage when grappling) the monk (when not using ki).īut that is just for unarmed damage. Even assuming a minimum +2 modifier, monk does 2.5 - 3.5 more damage (and the gap widens for higher modifiers).Īt level 11, the monk's die gets bigger and the fighter gets an extra attack. At that same level, a fighter can do 2 1d8+STR attack, but if they grapple the target first, they do 2 1d6+1d4+STR attacks. (See conclusion)īy level 5 a monk can make 3 1d6+DEX attacks without KI. But I don't think monk is threatened by the existence of this style, just by it's power. Yeah this fighting style is a little too strong. Have I missed anything? I would like to hear what other people think. It would even take care of the need for later levels to deal magic damage for certain enemy types. A bit of brewing and you can argue for having gauntlets or some other item that can deal this damage output. Almost every tier of damage (D6, D8, D10) have Slashing, Piercing and Bludgeoning damage options for melee weapons.
The only thing this doesn't give is a way to deal magical melee damage.Ĭombine this with the Grappler feat and a new Manuver for a grapple/restraint that can be picked up by the Battlemaster subclass or with another Fighting Style, and would this mean the Monk loses out as the iconic Punching and Kicking class?Īnother thought: Is this really nessicary? Aside from the grappling damage, I could homebrew/homerule all of this from the book. More than a Monk without spending a Ki point. Fighters who take this and specialize into it can eventually hit four times with this damage output. That kind of damage output puts it on par with an 11th level Monk right out of the gate, only overshadowed at 17th. Until the grapple ends, you can also deal this damage to the creature whenever you hit it with a melee attack. When you successfully start a grapple, you can deal 1d4 bludgeoning damage to the grappled creature.
HOMEBREW BETTER UNARMED STRIKE 5E FREE
If you strike with two free hands, the d6 becomes a d8. Your unarmed strikes can deal bludgeoning damage equal to 1d6 + your Strength modifier. This newest release of UA brought us new fighting styles, one I want to discuss is Unarmed Fighting: (Making a new thread to keep from digging through larger threads for one thing) Monstrous Compendium Vol 3: Minecraft Creatures
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